Wednesday, September 10, 2008

Romans Road vs. Straight and Narrow

Occasionally someone shows up on the forum from whence I was last banned and starts arguing Salvation from Matthew or Hebrews or even the OT. It's hilarious, to be honest. They fall all over themselves, arguing Scriptures and trying to explain things away, while the heretic runs roughshod over them and makes them look like fools. Don't get me wrong, there are several nice, Godly people there, and I like several of them, but 98% of the people there can't answer a man like that.

The current fiasco is a "WWJD" type of guy, the kind that doesn't pay attention to mail addresses (see my earlier posts on that). He likes Jesus' message. Who doesn't? Blessed are the poor in spirit, blessed are the peacemakers, etc. His message, while hard, is nice for the most part. And it's Jesus, so we should obey Him, right?

I Corinthians 4:16 Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.

I Corinthians 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.

Philippians 3:17 Brethren, be followers together of me,

THREE times, Paul tells the CHURCH to follow him. Yes, the final object is Christ, because Paul followed Christ, but he commanded the Church to follow HIM three times. That's an indisputable fact, unless you like to argue with the Bible (not a smart thing to do).

So let's back up a little. Why Paul and not Jesus? Well, who was Jesus speaking to? Who did Jesus preach to? Most importantly, who did Jesus NOT preach to? Remember the Cyro-phonecian woman? Jesus called her a DOG! He said that it's not right to give the childrens' bread unto DOGS!! How's that for racial equality? Jesus didn't go to the Gentiles: He didn't preach to them, He didn't waste time on their ailments, He didn't try to convert them. He said that He was sent not but to the lost sheep of the house of ISRAEL!

Who was Paul sent to? Who did he preach and write to? God said that Paul was to be a witness to the Gentiles. He was the Apostle to the Gentiles, and also the messenger to the Church (9 books addressed to churches?).

So, are you going to take a Jewish gospel, from a Jewish preacher, to a Jewish nation, and believe that, when God Himself said that Paul was the preacher to the Gentiles, and in turn the church? So, Romans or the Sermon on the Mount? Chop off your hand or live peaceably as much as lieth in you? Endure to the end or He'll keep us from falling?

Your choice. God, however, is right and true, and His word never faileth.


Mrs W said...

Good post. I didn't even bother to comment on that topic at all although I wanted to. I'm kind of sick of arguing and being called a heretic when they have no proof that what I believe is wrong and they look ridiculous when the false teacher gets one up on them.

Luke said...

I tried showing this on baptistboard. The Lordship crowd are strong there, so I am surprised they didn't accept works + faith salvation in the OT :P

Look at Exodus 19! That's Lordship Salvation - "19:8 And all the people answered together, and said, All that the LORD hath spoken we will do."

Of course, they didn't do all that the Lord commanded (only a few days later, they were worshipping the calf)

Even though your post wasn't about LS, I believe that LS is the right method of salvation for the OT - A commitment to God in faith, followed by actions. Today, it's all about free grace and the gospel of Paul :)

Good post Vince :)

Kathie said...

Mrs. W, I totally agree with you! That's why I told Vince about the topic... so he could rant about it and then post a blog... hehe.

I wish he wasn't banned from OB. It was so much fun when Vince was allowed to post there!

Luke said...

Brother, if you want a proving ground, I think I have found it

I see what you mean about division. I posted the TBDI info in the Bible college section (although I was a bit cheeky, since half of them had been going on about how Gipp came out of a diploma mill or some rubbish), and all the valiant white knights ride on in proclaiming the association with Ruckman, like it wasn't something I already knew. Far out.

It's fun to mess with them sometimes. The thread on the septuagint is awesome. I said "the LXX doesn't exist" and gave bible reasons why and they just kept begging for evidence. Which I gave, three times. But because Gipp and Ruckman wrote it, their only reply was to say "aliens" and run away.

God bless