I think I titled something this a long time ago, but I like it so here we go again. The phrase "What is truth?" is from Pilate, right before he condemned Christ to death. Here's the passage:
John 18:38
"Pilate saith unto him, What is truth? And when he had said this, he went out again unto the Jews, and saith unto them, I find in him no fault at all."
He had Truth standing in front of him, but he was too blind to recognize it! Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth and the life." John 17:17 says "Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth." 1 Kings 17:24 "And the woman said to Elijah, Now by this I know that thou art a man of God, and that the word of the LORD in thy mouth is truth."
So many people today have the truth right in front of their noses, but they haven't the foggiest idea what it is. Of course I'm speaking of the Bible issue; that's one of my hobby horses I like to pull out from time to time. God said He'd preserve His word. God said His word is given by inspiration. God said His word is perfect, pure, holy and righteous. Everyone should be able to agree on that; anyone who believes in the true God, that is.
But here's where everyone, IFBs included, starts stumbling and stuttering. The problem is that though everyone will agree that God's word is perfect, pure, "inspired," inerrant, etc., very few know where to FIND that word of God. Hence the deal about the "Alexandrian Cult," which Dr. Ruckman likes to harp on, and then there's the TR crowd that think the Bible derives Its authority from some moth-eaten manuscripts that only scholars can read.
A man named James White wrote a book titled "The King James-Only Controversy." Or favorite Bible Believing satirist fired back with a book titled "The Scholarship-Only Controversy," basically showing how White not only lied at least 16 times in his book, but also puts the authority of the Scriptures not on the Scriptures, but on the "learned men" that can study "The Greek and Hebrew."
However, even IFBs have fallen into the same trap, if not as far, by things such as the aforementioned statements by Ross. "The Bible this" and "the Bible that," followed slyly by "The King James translation" yada yada. See the difference? Bet you would have missed that if someone didn't show you!! That's how these shiesters like to work: in retail it's called Bait and Switch. You make the person think you're talking about a certain subject, then carefully change the object of the discussion without the person noticing, so he thinks the original object is still being discussed. Basically, Ross doesn't believe any existing Bible anymore than he believes in the Tooth Fairy. And that is EXACTLY how it works worldwide: people believe all this high-sounding, great stuff about the "Bible," then turn around and demean the "King James Version" or "translation of the Bible" etc.
There IS no other Bible, and contrary to Dr. Cloud's belief, the King James Bible or Authorized Version is NOT an edition of the Textus Receptus. The KJB was translated after being compared to over 300 manuscripts in 20-40 languages. While the vast majority of these were from the Antioch family of manuscripts, some of the readings follow the corrupt Latin Vulgate instead. Why is that? God wrote It, not those translators. He put what He wanted in there, so HE Authorized It, not King James. The king just paid for it.
No, Ross won't fess up; he's too embedded in his lies and deceit to realize it himself. SOP for the Alexandrian Cult, and now, as evidenced, it's seeped its way into "IFB" circles as well.
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Hey Vince! You have some great Biblical knowledge and I'm glad you're sharing it on a blog. Even though I have a dislike for certain people you mentioned, I hope this blog will be about Biblical knowledge and not just to say something to those that neither of us like. :p I think it would ruin a blog like this to have to see his name on every post...then he'll think he's cool because he'll think we actually think about him when we don't.
Haha hey, "mrs w" :D Thanks for the comment...I guess I did start it because he ticked me off enough, but I'll use it for other stuff too. I actually do think about him a lot...when the words "heretic" or "pervert" or "idiot" come to mind, his name usually follows closely. :D
Just so you know, Vince, I go by "Mrs W." so that I am more anonymous to those that don't already know me. I'm not trying to hide anything, just think there is a danger of sharing too much on the internet. I hardly think of him at all.
Lol ok, not that much, I was over-exaggerating a bit. And I understand the anonymity thing. :)
Mr. V,
As a person familiar with you, I think that you are a little haughty. Remember, the KJV still states, "Pride goeth before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall."
You are so young to be so full of knowledge. Are you even shaving yet? I think you would be wise to put yourself under the authority of a good pastor, even a bad one, for awhile and learn your place in God's kingdom.
Also, have you spent as much time witnessing to others as you have put into this devisive blog? We are to be leading others to Christ, and building His Kingdom on the earth.
I do still love you in the Lord, Vince. I am just concerned greatly that you are falling into a common pitfall for those weak in the Faith.
I hope I have reached you in time, for we have so little left.
Thanks for your time,
Mr. Z
Mr. Z:
Do not come here declaring your familiarity with me and then attacking me under a cloak of anonymity. That's the quickest way to get on my bad side.
What's funny though is that you say you know me, then immediately ask questions about some of the most fundamental things about me, demonstrating that you're completely ignorant, for all practical purposes. I have an excellent pastor, one who teaches the Word of God.
Being that you obviously don't know me, as I showed above, then it's no surprise that you ask ignorant questions about my personal life, things that are completely none of your business. If you would take some time and notice the dates on the post you commented on, you'd see exactly how much time I spend on this blog.
Unfortunately, I don't know who you are so I could address this more personally; however, suffice it to say that you are completely ignorant of the things of God, for the simple fact that you attacked me on a blog post about God's perfect Word. Get THAT WORD straight and maybe God can show you things, but since you obviously have your head so full of your own importance and knowledge, then you're not doing well in the godly wisdom department.
The age old question then,,,
Where was the "perfect" word of God in one place before 1611 and why does no foreign language have a "perfect" Word of God?
You take simple truths (the perfect Word of God) and from them extrapolate wild claims - that God failed miserably to keep his promise untill re-inspiring his Wird in 1611 in English.
I never said it was in one place, Tony; it obviously wasn't. However, "Forever, O Lord, thy word is settled in Heaven." God's word has been perfect since before the dawn of time itself, and God chose to give that word through many people in many ways through the centuries, until perfecting it in the King James Bible.
I know you'll never believe it, and I have no intentions of bashing my head against the wall trying to get it through to you, but this is TRUE. Let God be true and every man a liar.
If God is true, then His PERFECT word is available somewhere. If it's not the KJB, then show me where It is.
Mr. V
You said in your blog that the KJB is the only word of God. It isnt even inspired. You havent changed since Old Country have you? Let me explain something to you here! The King James Version is the most in line with the greek and Hebrew that is available to the English speaking people. NIV, ASV, RSV, Good News For Moddern Man ect, all have flaws ok, but a person can still be saved by them. Doesnt mean I would use it myself as I have seen some contradictions in them. And while there are no errors in the KJV other than maybe spelling, it is no more inspired than my morning news paper. It is however, PRESERVED by God! And to explain that let me say this... Who wrote Revelation? John the "Revelator" God Inspired him! Ok , and was it in English? No! Greek and Hebrew were the languages of the day! So Evil men with knowledge of foreign languages could read the Bible to common man and make it say what ever they wanted. God inspired the orrigional authors to write it, and then Preserved it in our language in 1611. If you believe in dual-inspiration, I recomend you go back to school! Mr. Z could just be a relative of yours who didnt want you to feel embarrissed at your ignorence when in his presence. And YOU SIR, should think twice before you respond with names like idiot, stupid, ect. Is that what Jesus would say? Calling names is not being Wise as a serpent harmless as a dove...is it? If someone doesnt see eye to eye with you does it mean they are wrong? I think not! Furthermore, DOES IT MATTER??? You are so busy drawing lines in the sand and saying thus sayeth the Lord when God hath not said, that you are neglecting the great commission. And if you've forgotten or never heard it, it's : Go ye therefore into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature.
FOCUS ON THE SOULS OF MEN AND KEEP THE MAIN THING THE MAIN THING! For sake of annonnemity as aforementioned, I will refer to myself as BIG D formerly of Mexico...YOU KNOW WHO I AM!
Big D
I've changed plenty, bud. I realized how doctrinally challenged that pastor was, and I realized that he couldn't defend the Book worth shooting, as you cannot either. You can't DEFEND a Book you don't BELIEVE.
Where were the Scriptures that Paul spoke of in 2 Timothy 3:16? What about all the times that one of the New Testament authors quoted the Old Testament, IN ANOTHER LANGUAGE? Which one of those quotes were "inspired"?
Not only that, but you have the definition of "inspiration" completely messed up. Why CAN'T God give a PERFECT Word in English?? You limit the Holy One of Israel by saying HE CAN'T!
You obviously have gone liberal since that whole mess exploded, since you don't even have a BOOK to believe. I never said people can't get saved out of them: I don't know a person alive with a decent brain in their head that would say such a thing!
It's funny you would come here and challenge my intellect when you don't even have a Bible to stand on, Mr. K.
Ha Ha Ha! YOU HAVENT CHANGED AT ALL! You still think of yourself as an intelect when it is quite clear you are a fool! I do have a book to stand on as I mentioned in my last writings... and for the English Speaking People it is the King James...but apparently your mama never taught you to read very well... I simply stated that 1) the KING JAMES isnt inspired it is PRESERVED in our language. 2) It is not worth fighting over when there are others dieing around us every day! Tell me Vincent, how can you win someone who uses the NIV if the first thing they hear is a slam on thier intelect? How can you call people names because they disagree with you? That is NOT CHRIST-LIKE. You dont know a thing if you think I am a liberal, and you clearly dont think for yourself. But then you never thought for yourself did you! I hear your voice but it's other "MORONs" words! People like you get sucked into cults! THE KJV IS GODS WORD PRESERVED TO THE ENGLISH SPEAKING PEOPLE! FACT! WHAT ABOUT THE SPANISH SPEAKING OR RUSSIAN OR GERMAN!!! THEY TRANSILATE FROM THE ORIGIONAL, THE INSPIRED! In Revilation God said that everything written was FINAL whoever added to it would have the plagues added to them and whoever took away would have thier name blotted out of the book of life. Now if God inspired someone to put it in another language then the afforementioned would be a lie, God inspired it one time and to inspire it again would be adding something to it! The first writings were inspired the copy is just a copy! That in no way takes away from the Holiness of the Bible in whatever language! I read it, I believe it, and I try to live it! BUT VINCE, think for a change, Think of the many who dont know the Lord! How can you win them with that offensive attitude?
Let he that standeth take heed lest he fall! ~GOD
Thinking themselves to be wise they became fools! ~GOD
Get off your high horse of intelect. You've become the fool!!!
You have sooo much to learn my young friend! I look forward to reading your reply. I need a good laugh! Just challange yourself in this one thing... see if you can express yourself without slamming the opponent, attaching lables such as LIBERAL to me! Im betting ya cant do it but we will see wont we!
~Daryn
Good grief Daryn, I was 12 when we left there! You've got a lot of nerve.
You wouldn't know, since the first thing you did when coming into contact with me was rant and rave against me, but I've spent much time studying the Bible issue to a great depth in many areas, so I know a thing or two about what I'm saying.
I've never called myself an "intellect" (intellectual??), though many people that know me consider me to be at least marginally intelligent.
You're reading ONE post of ONE blog that deals with the Bible issue, and all of a sudden you know what I do with every waking moment of my life?? Use the head that God gave you, Daryn; this is such a small fraction of my life that it's ridiculous that you'd take such a huge issue with it. If you knew the pervert whom I was talking about in that blog, you'd know what I'm talking about.
Which "inspired" original, Daryn? There's THOUSANDS of manuscripts that all differ from one another, and dozens of differing texts as well, in two major families and up to forty languages! You're speaking either in ignorance or unbelief, since you display little real knowledge other than what you've been taught.
I never slam people who believe something else; again you assume something about me without any evidence. It would be different if you actually KNEW me, but you don't, though you obviously think you do. You know nothing about me; you don't really care about me: you never did.
What IS the "preserved" Bible in Spanish, Russian or German, Daryn? Since you seem to think you have the corner on the market of wisdom, knowledge and understanding, please forbear not to tell me where these can be found.
vincent vincent, you have always been a know it all. I never claimed to have a corner on the market, and I have read more than just this one blog. The fact remains you are all about you! How much you know yada yada yada. I could tell you about the Russians Germans Spanish... what version they read...(It isnt the King James, they dont speak English) but you wouldnt take it since it would be coming from me. So why dont you do this, Research it for yourself. I do have ground to stand on. I do believe the KJV. I challange anyone to show me 1 error in it. There isnt any just as there are none in the orrigional and calling this fellow who inspired your blog names is wrong wether he is a heratic or just has a differing idea. Im calling you on that because for years if someone disagreed and you were stumped they were the idiot or stupid, ect.
If I made a copy of the Mona Lisa it is just a copy, however close to the origional even if identical it is just a copy. The Origional Artist got his inspiration for the finished product. If that Product is so well liked then people are going to make copies so kids can see it in thier local museum great but dont claim that copy was inspired... It's just a copy. The KJV is a copy of the preserved, inspired word of God as each copy in each language. If you claim it is inspired you do so in ignorance. I'll be seeing ya!
Well, if you purport yourself to be more knowledgeable than me in this area, then why don't you do a little Bible study on inspiration and translation, and tell me what you come up with.
It would also help to realize that the Word of God is not the Mona Lisa, and God isn't Leonardo da Vinci. God inspires who He wishes, when He wants to, to write what He tells them to, and your earthly comparisons don't mean beans to Him.
"Double Inspiration" is such an ignorant phrase; if my stance on the Word of God is wrong, then prove it from Scripture; that's my ONLY authority, as it should be yours as well.
vince you are a fool and a heritic. If God inspires man at any time then He would still be writing the word out today. If you knew your Bible you would know that He said nothing shall be added or taken away. You are still a foolish little boy and you need to put yourself under the authority of a good pastor or you, having a weak mind will be led away and seduced by your itching ears. Bye bye now!
Well, Daryn, obviously you haven't spent a whole lot of time studying your Bible, or you might be able to see why I say what I do. For instance, did you know that the Bible uses the word "inspiration" TWICE? Check out Job 32 sometime and see what I'm talking about. Compare Scripture with Scripture; what you're doing is comparing Scripture with your OPINION. Obviously you don't recognize the difference between people doing something and God moving people to do something.
Like I said, do a little Bible study sometime and maybe the Holy Spirit will show you where you're wrong; until then you're simply blowing smoke out your posterior and screaming unbiblical nonsense at me. Study, Daryn.
Daryn,
I find it weird that you would jump on Vince and tell him he shouldn't "respond with names like idiot, stupid, ect. Is that what Jesus would say?" Then you ask him how is he to win over a NIV user by slamming his intellect... when in the same comment you claim Vince's intellect all over the place. Then call him a fool etc. That is what we call in the Bible a hypocrite.
BTW... Jesus Christ called people names all the time. You would know this if you read your Bible.
Let see some more from the hypocrite. "Big D" says: "How can you win them with that offensive attitude? " Yet you express the same "offensive attitude" you claim Vince to have.
You then go on to try and discredit what he says just because of his young age. Just because a person is young, doesn't deem them a fool, or that they shouldn't seen knowledge of God's Word.
In the Old Testament what did the other languages have to do in order to get ahold of God's written Word after the Law was written? Did God provide it to them via their own language, or did they have to become a "stranger" to the Hebrews and learn their language(s)?
I think maybe you need to stop making this blog posting about Vince. I know Vince... I have met him and talk to him quite a bit. He's nothing like you claim he is.
Well I doubt you know him as he is for one Mr Jason, For two Jesus called people like him a fool. I read my bible and it's folks like him and aparently you who assume errantly! AND WE ALL KNOW WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU ASSUME!!! In Bible times God used tounges and I dont mean the Ai Ai Bler Bler Blerb! I mean The Man Of God spoke and every man heard it in thier own language. Let's see JASON THE HYPOCRITE says study your Bible Jason, do you study yours? If so you wouldnt ask ignorent questions like how the world got the Word! And furthermore God came "to the JEW FIRST and also To The Greek(OR THE REST OF THE WORLD)"
In Old Testament Times I recall A Harlot named Rahab draping a scarlet thread or cord from her wall! She was not a Jew! I also think about Moses own Father in law, Ruth, just to name a few off the top of my head. And God said himself, he would PRESERVE his word forever. Forever Oh Lord Is Thy Word Settled In The Heavens.
I "knock" vince not because of his age but because of his ignorance. You do not know him as I or the many that side against him who asked me to rebuttle his ignorance. Vinnie stated " There IS no other Bible,..."
It is folks like him who take the KING JAMES ONLY stance, that stir up strife. And since you're the Biblical Schollar, maybe you could share with the class what God says about stirring up strife. To state there is no other Bible is to demonstrate ignorance on the stater's behalf. As I have said, God only inspired the origional manuscripts and every copy is only a preservation. Those who state the King James is the only word of God go on down the path to eventually preaching that since the Jews refused Jesus Gospel, the Gentiles are the NEW JEWISH or CHOSEN People and God is thru with Israel. White Suprimicist and NAZI groups fall in here. Watch out. LET HE WHO THINKETH HE STANDS (Vince/Jason) TAKE HEED LEST HE FALL! Vince, you said..." Oh, I'm also quite difficult to offend," This is obviously an UNTRUTH!
You stated..."You can't DEFEND a Book you don't BELIEVE....You obviously have gone liberal since that whole mess exploded, since you don't even have a BOOK to believe...you don't even have a Bible to stand on, Mr. K....when the words "heretic" or "pervert" or "idiot" come to mind, his name usually follows closely. :D"
I agree with Tony and Mr.Z, and even Mrs. W who states... " I hope this blog will be about Biblical knowledge and not just to say something to those that neither of us like." In the future, Mr. Jason, you might see your way clear of this issue. Vince You can never win the lost by insulting them with names such as pervert. Never assume that your opponent is a LIBERAL, Doesnt Have A Book to Stand On, Doesnt Read or Believe it...ect. just because he stands against your mindless dribble! And there is a difference in calling the lost and heratics names and calling a brother a fool, novice, ignorant, haughty. A brother in Christ should have the ability to take a lesson. Not get offended that he doesnt know everything. You sir do not have a corner on the market, you have a LONG way to go. Read your Bible. Get a grasp on the inspiration issue. Dual Inspiration is an idea pushed by you vince, even if you are ignorant enough to not understand it's meaning. It simply means in your own thinking, remember this is an errant line of thought, God inspired the origionals then inspired the KJV. You are infact a fool, and as such you have gathered a following of fools. The word of God states not to answer a fool according to his follies. Wether you are aware or not the concept stands argue with a fool long enough and it becomes hard to tell which is the fool! I refuse to continue in this line. Im sure that now you will argue the afforementioned statements but I truely wrote you in the first place to try to help you. And I guess if he hear you have gained a brother, if not count him as a lost cause. (Paraphrasing) Some things never change. Solong merry band of fools! May God reach through your "INTELECT" and redirect you to his cause...to the great commission!
Daryn
Well Daryn, since you don't know what inspiration is, and you don't feel it necessary to STUDY though the Bible commands you to.
Go ahead and wallow in your ignorance and refuse instruction, though you claim some superiority over me even though you don't really believe the Book. That's apparent to anyone who pays attention to the Spirit of God inside of him.
Bring me your study of Inspiration, Preservation and Translation and we'll talk. Otherwise, feel free to shoot off your mouth some more; I enjoy the diversion.
Daryn,
I'm sorry I don't pretend to know it all like you do. I have no clue if I know Vince like you do. I don't know you, so I don't pretend to like you do with other and myself.
You were the one that said it was not Christ like to call folks names, when in fact Christ called many people names. Including a woman who just wanted the crumbs.
And there you go with your haughty spirit you claim Vince has. Coming out not knowing a lick about me and saying I'm "Jason the hypocrite". I know in the NT times God used "speaking in tongues" as a sign to the jews as in Acts. I never once in my comment asked about NT times. I asked according to the time when the Law was written down. Who did the stranger have to go to in order to get God's Word... what language was it in?
Rahab draping a scarlet thread from her wall has to do with what? I asked about how the "stranger" got God's Word after the Law was written to the Hebrews.
You in the end never answered my question. You just talk about event that happened in the Old Testament.
You claim you knock Vince not because of his age. Yet you do it through out all your comments. You sir despise his youth.
You then claim it's folks like him who take the King James Only stance that stir up strife. You don't know me and claim I stir up strife. You sir are the only one doing that here. You don't go against anything he says... you simple call him ignorant, you say his words are ignorant, and yada yada yada.
And I won't see myself clear of this issue. I believe the King James Bible is God's Word, not only to the english speaking people... but to all people. God in the OT chose Hebrew... God in the NT chose Greek... God in these days chose English to put the OT and NT into one book.
I have no intellect. And never claimed be as such. All I simply did was point out your hypocrisy. You tell Vince not to do something, yet you do the same thing to him.
I've ran into your kind Daryn. They say "I am King James Only and it's the word of God for the english speaking people". And any one who disagrees with you, you attack, name call, and get all haughty. It's happened to me on two good baptist message boards. Yet when talking with people of this view you'll find that they claim the KJB has no errors. Then claim 1 Cor. 12:13 should be a lower case "s" in Spirit. Then they try to convince you of the baptist brider doctrine.
I believe the Scripture when it says "All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:" 2 Tim. 3:16. The King James Bible is given by inspiration of God.
Again, the only one I see acting like they know it all is you... and you are being a hypocrite. Also just because one focuses some attention to defending why they believe the King James Bible doesn't mean they are not practicing the great commission. A good book for you to read is "For His Pleasure" by Dr. Sam Gipp.
Matthew 28:19-20
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
But you don't want Vince to teach any nations or to teach them to observe all things Jesus has commanded us...
Matthew 22:28 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
Vince's views in "What is Truth" is correct. And what he brings out about certain people are correct. "Big D" there is difference in your comments and those of others here that may disagree with Vince... you are causing strife and hypocrisy.
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